likesmatureones 55M
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6/9/2017 4:47 am
the comey hearings


I got to spend alot of time yesterday listening to the hearings on the radio...

and I came to one conclusion....it is all about your words and how you use them..

The word " hope" doesn't imply an action...

The same could be said of bill clinton's hearing where we doubted the meaning of the word "is" or was it "if"??? or what the true definition of sex was?

I could care less if you love or hate trump...honestly I don't care...I'm not a big fan of any politician.

But it's like everyone is trying to add wood to this funeral pyre...when everything already is pretty green.

So trump wanted what exactly out of comey?

1. loyalty? does that mean tit for tat? you drop the investigation and you get to keep your job? or does that literally mean hopefully your not the one leaking all this shit..which it turns out comey then turned around and leaked all this shit.

2. trump hoped that comey would let flynn go basically..cause he is a nice guy..
Makes you honestly wonder why? Noone is a fan of flynn..it has already been established that he lied to vp pence...noone really faults trump for this guy.
Hell who even remembers flynn...so why stick your neck out for him?

Once again the term "hope" doesn't imply a command or direct order from a superior.

3. Trump wanted reassurance that he personally wasn't being investigated/wanted comey to lift the cloud so he could get something accomplished..

So lift the cloud implies what exactly?

I found the hearings interesting because you could see the legal minds at work....the one female senator constantly asked comey questions that he couldn't answer in public ( but could in a closed hearing).. so it made it look like he had real info and proof of trump's actions?

The same senator used the argument of a hold up guy "hoping" he'd give me your money..

Another senator asked Comey when he was a prosecutor did anyone ever get convicted for "hoping" to do something?

Another point that was made is trump has the legal right to fire the head of the FBI any time he wants/for any reason...

it was asked of comey if he had a strong loyal team at the FBI and if the investigation would change/stop if he was fired and replaced.....he said no.. it would carry on.

Soooooo my question is... if comey believes everything he said about the FBI being impartial to a fault/beholding to no political party...and the fact that the FBI couldn't be swayed and the investigation would go on with or without him...then why is he so fearful of trump to the point where he is writing and leaking memos of their meetings?
What's the worst that could happen if he stood up and said no to trump? ...he'd lose his job???
According to comey his firing changed NOTHING!!!/had no effect

and if comey REALLY believes everything he said yesterday about his beloved FBI....( and yes this is the reason for the ramblings of john mccain).. then why did he bend over backwards to loretta lynch ( the DOJ) and the clintons. I mean he wasn't suspicious of the husband( bill clinton) of the accused meeting secretly with the head of the DOJ ( loretta lynch) at an airport?? Funny how there was never any fbi investigation into that matter.( Bill and Loretta just talked about the grandkids???)
And ofcourse the next day comey changed his wording from investigation of hillary clinton to the word "matter" on loretta lynch's " suggestion".
Comey claims to be a boyscout ,but I fear that he is also politically tainted to one side .
Comey came out and said yeah there is some shit going on here BUT no prosecutor would take up the case...

Like I said I'm not taking sides and don't want to turn this into a political debate...but this is sorta like overtly religious people claiming they are holier than thou...

I mean it is fairly obvious that trump is an asshole/liar/hell thief...NO DUHHHH..show me a rich person that isn't ( which included bill gates and mark zuckenberger)
But comey comes off as biased despite all those senators royally sucking his dick.

as the one lawyer on cnn said...it is rare to convict someone on obstruction of justice..it is usually one of those charges they heap upon a defendant's other charges.. it is very hard to prove by itself in a criminal trial more or less at an impeachment

I listened to the whole hearing yesterday and considered myself to be very unbiased..

and honestly alot could be inferred...yet it wasn't directly said....

and comey was his worst enemy...he basically said the fbi is so immune that even his own firing wouldn't stop or change the investigation...

He told us exactly what trump said in that meeting...none of it seems to be illegal..perhaps troublings but not illegal....

so it seems like the obstruction of justice charge really is about his firing...that is what this boils down to folks.. to which the president has the right to fire him for no reason.
Trump fired comey so lets get the pitchforks and storm the castle..

and if comey is such a nice guy and super trooper of the FBI, then why did he leak all that info to the press? to get an independent investigator appointed?
Yet this makes no sense when comey said his people couldn't be swayed..as a former prosecutor himself, comey has to know that the charge of obstruction of justice is hard to prove..
so it makes him seem like a pissed off employee that got fired

Make me wonder about the integrity of the head of the FBI that would leak anything..more or less a private conversation with a president.

Just saying.. it seems like all these people are scummy

likesmatureones 55M

6/9/2017 4:48 am


likesmatureones 55M

6/9/2017 5:55 am

Er I am familure with watergate. Implying doesn't mean intent. You call a spade a spade but is it really a spade on the eyes of the law? That is the question.

Unless there is something said in the closed door meetings I doubt anything will come out of this.
And apparently one doesn't have to overtly threathen the head of the FBI with his job Seems like comey already rolled over for Loretta lynch
Just saying. Why not get your own doj to interfere with the investigation


likesmatureones 55M

6/9/2017 6:50 am

Giving your notes or telling someone what went on in a private meeting is leaking! Whether or not if this was classified info is up for debate. But anyonelse sharing info like this with a friend probably would be fired.

Once again bread crumbs don't always lead you to Handsel & Gretel ...I guess it all depends on what the legal definition of obstruction of justice is.


likesmatureones 55M

6/9/2017 7:23 am

So perhaps someone call tell me if trump is guilty of instruction then isn't Loretta lynch?
She pressured comey to change the term from investigation to matter/ the head of the doj met secretly with the hubby of the person getting investigated. Isn't this also obstruction


AC_Wright 58F
323 posts
6/9/2017 10:07 am

<<<So perhaps someone call tell me if trump is guilty of instruction then isn't Loretta Lynch?

She pressured comey to change the term from investigation to matter/ the head of the doj met secretly with the hubby of the person getting investigated. Isn't this also obstruction>>>

Perhaps she is, but that is not relevant. See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

Basically, so long as no one is actually lying, what Clinton did with Lynch is *utterly irrelevant* when it comes to Donald Trump's completely separate actions.

Clinton and Lynch could give testimony against Trump even if they had both just been convicted of murder and it wouldn't matter from a legal standpoint.

Schrille Schlampen aller Länder, vereinigt euch! Ihr habt nichts zu verlieren als euren Kontakt mit Versagern!


AC_Wright 58F
323 posts
6/9/2017 10:09 am

A lot of words.

I looked at that post and thought, “There’s so *much* here. It makes me wish I had all day to go after the worst things on a sentence-by-sentence basis.

I’ll just grab a couple of things and move on.

***it was asked of comey if he had a strong loyal team at the FBI and if the investigation would change/stop if he was fired and replaced.....he said no.. it would carry on.

Soooooo my question is... if comey believes everything he said about the FBI being impartial to a fault/beholding to no political party...and the fact that the FBI couldn't be swayed and the investigation would go on with or without him...then why is he so fearful of trump to the point where he is writing and leaking memos of their meetings?
What's the worst that could happen if he stood up and said no to trump? ...he'd lose his job???
According to comey his firing changed NOTHING!!!/had no effect
***

Comey was correct, the FBI is an organization that operates witih considerable autonomy from the executive branch. Presidents can point the FBI at what they consider socially-important investigative matters—like the activities of organizations like the Klu-Klux-Klan, or civil rights organizaitons that might have ties to foreign interests, but the FBI is, arguably, not a Gestapo: it is not one in part because of its not being driven by party politics.

Comey was right. Firing Comey would (and did) accomplish nothing constructive. In fact, firing Comey was stupid in either of the two scenarios regarding Trump’s complcity in the “Russian thing.”

1. Trump is innocent of everything but (possibly) not noticing that he is surrounded by people who should just learn to speak Russian to save time while committing treason.

In that case, he should have done everything in his power to accelerate the course of the investigation to clear the matter up so he could return to business as usual.

2. Trump is guilty of everything but high intelligence and good judgement.

In that case, he should never have fired Comey because it only increases suspicion that something is wrong and guarantees even more legal and media attention. That was the logical consequence, in addition to that, he has found himself surprised by Comey’s notes.

Also, your argument fails to weight the importance of the investigation correctly. There’s a difference between being a scumbag in businesss and his being a scumbag in government with good reasons to destroy the United States from within while making himself richer. Trump’s love for Russia is a good reason for suspicion and Comey has good reasons to move in the direction he does with his testimony. What are those reasons? I would argue that they can be summed up by a sense of patriotism.

***as the one lawyer on cnn said...it is rare to convict someone on obstruction of justice..it is usually one of those charges they heap upon a defendant's other charges.. it is very hard to prove by itself in a criminal trial more or less at an impeachment***

Obstruction of justice in a process to, say, prove that Trump’s nepotism violates the Emolluments Clause would be one thing: Obstruction of justice in an effort to root out treasonous contact in collusion with a hostile foreign power is quite another one.

***The word " hope" doesn't imply an action...***

I “hope” that you will eventually change your way of thinking about whether or not the word “hope” implies an action.

Schrille Schlampen aller Länder, vereinigt euch! Ihr habt nichts zu verlieren als euren Kontakt mit Versagern!


likesmatureones 55M

6/9/2017 10:48 am

okay I thank you all for your wonderful replies...as your host I welcome anyone's thoughts and opinions as long as we remain civil towards one another.

Sure Maffia Don can also use round about words to get his meaning across.. I'm not saying that trump didn't cross the line. But crossing the line and doing something specifically illegal under that charge is another thing..

Does trump's actions fit the legal definition of obstruction of justice?

It is like saying bill clinton lied before congress about monica lewinsky...Bill said under oath he didn't have sex with her etc etc etc... we all know that to lie under oath is a felony. We all know he committed perjury ( or did he?) To Bill oral sex may or may not have been sex...etc..
I don't mean to make this a clinton vs. trump debate ( tit for tat)....
But in the legal realm something as simple as a word or two could make a difference.

Comey specifically used the word "hope"...which could be the difference.

I asked if Loretta Lynch should also be prosecuted for obstruction of justice because of the way comey reacted. He said he was shocked that she would even ask him to change the term ( from investigation to matter because such a term would influence the american public etc). Some still blame Hillary's loss on the comey press conference.
So shocked that comey felt he had to come forward with that press conference to protect himself/his job.

NOW it is my understand from Mr Comey that the FBI is neutral...yet here you have the head of the Dept of Justice pressuring the head of the FBI ( in some manner)... Plus you have the head of the Dept of Justice secretly meeting on a tarmac with the husband of the person the FBI is investigating...

and some of you don't believe this is interfering with justice? Do you really believe bill clinton just happened to be in an airport and waltzed right up to loretta lynches' plane to talk about grandkids???

hmm also consider that the FBi's job is just to investigate...the DOJ are the ones that determine whether or not they should prosecute someone..

So where as the president is mr comey's boss...so was loretta lynch
So you all don't see some conflict of interest here...the head of the DOJ pressuring the head of the FBI during an ongoing investigation? the head of the DOJ meeting with the husband of the person the fbi was currently investigating..

isn't this as bad as a president saying " hey do you like your job?" or hopefully you'll drop the charge...

I'm trying to make the point that both people should be on the hot seat and investigated...if you find trump guilty then isn't loretta lynch..

Like I said I hate them all...but if I'm wrong hopefully someone will explain the difference to me...tell me why I'm wrong
thanks


likesmatureones 55M

6/9/2017 10:51 am

why is loretta lynch's action important in regards to trump's case? it shows bias ..
it shows that comey caved to a superior's request...it showed he isn't impartial.

One person is investigated and the other isn't....ask yourself why isn't the fbi investigating loretta lynch


likesmatureones 55M

6/9/2017 5:02 pm

come on uncommon Dom..do you really believe bill clinton just appeared in that airport that day.. that meeting between the head of the DOJ ( loretta lynch) and Bill was arranged... hell even loretta lynch admitted it should have never taken place..

I'm not defending what trump did.. I'm just saying comey acted on one account and not the other..ask yourself why
.both need to be investigated.. this proves the fbi is not neutral as suggested by comey. Loretta Lynch also used her position/per power against the head of the fbi...how is this any different? ( comey answers to both)

Ofcourse trump isn't a complete moron...would you discuss leveraging an fbi investigation in front of others? I'm not suggesting trump isn't "guilty".. the question is does trumps statements to comey fit the legal definition of obstruction of justice? It really could be a matter of a few simple words



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